Miss Carmie (USA)
February 21, 1966 – May 23, 1988
T. V. Lark (USA) x Twice Over (USA), by Ponder (USA)
Family 23-b
"GENETIC GEM"
February 21, 1966 – May 23, 1988
T. V. Lark (USA) x Twice Over (USA), by Ponder (USA)
Family 23-b
"GENETIC GEM"
Although Miss Carmie had a pedigree that suggested that she would improve with age, she was not particularly talented and was not raced after her 2-year-old season. She was far more remarkable as a broodmare, where she gave birth to a champion and a slew of daughters that became graded or Group stakes producers. Her descendants have won championships or Grade/Group 1 races in Argentina, Australia, Chile, England, France, Japan, Peru, South Africa, the United States, and Uruguay, and the list continues to expand.
Race record
11 starts, 3 wins, 0 seconds, 2 thirds, US$8,305
1968:
As an individual
A lengthy but not particularly large bay mare, Miss Carmie had prominent withers and was generally correct.
As a producer
Designated as a Reine-de-Course by pedigree analyst Ellen Parker, Miss Carmie produced 15 named foals, of which 10 started and seven won. Her important foals are as follow:
Connections
Foaled in Kentucky, Miss Carmie was bred by Preston Madden. She was bought as a yearling by Don Sucher for US$45,000 as part of a package deal with her dam and was raced by Sucher and his wife. She was trained by Doug Davis Jr. In 1974 the Suchers sold Miss Carmie to John R. Gaines and Don Johnson. In 1981, Miss Carmie changed hands again, this time going to a partnership headed by Josephine Abercrombie of Pin Oak Stud. The mare died at Pin Oak from complications of foaling in 1988, shortly after producing the Saratoga Six colt Six Hundred.
Pedigree notes
Miss Carmie is inbred 4x4 to 1943 American champion sire Bull Dog, also a three-time American champion broodmare sire. In addition, she is inbred 5x4 to six-time English champion sire Hyperion (winner of the 1933 Derby Stakes and St. Leger Stakes) and to 1930 Derby Stakes winner Blenheim II, the American champion sire of 1941. She is a half sister to the minor stakes winner Two Relics (by War Relic) and to Phil's Jest (by Jester), dam of stakes winner and multiple stakes producer Twice Foolish (by Native Admiral). Miss Carmie is also a half sister to Family Fame (by Droll Role), dam of 1988 G. P. A. National Stakes (IRE-G1) winner Classic Fame (by Nijinsky II).
Miss Carmie and her siblings were produced from Twice Over, whose dam Twosy (by Bull Lea) is a multiple stakes-winning full sister to two-time American champion Two Lea, dam of 1958 American champion 3-year-old male Tim Tam (by Tom Fool) and 1960 Brooklyn Handicap winner On-and-On (by Nasrullah). Twosy is also a full sister to 1954 California Derby winner Miz Clementine, second dam of 1970 Vosburgh Handicap winner and good sire Best Turn. The sisters' dam Two Bob (by The Porter) won the 1936 Kentucky Oaks.
Books and media
Miss Carmie is one of 51 important broodmares profiled by John Sparkman in his book Foundation Mares: How Outstanding Female Families Shaped America’s Breeding Industry (2008, Thoroughbred Times Books).
Last updated: September 14, 2022
Race record
11 starts, 3 wins, 0 seconds, 2 thirds, US$8,305
1968:
- Won Clipsetta Stakes (USA, 6FD, Latonia)
As an individual
A lengthy but not particularly large bay mare, Miss Carmie had prominent withers and was generally correct.
As a producer
Designated as a Reine-de-Course by pedigree analyst Ellen Parker, Miss Carmie produced 15 named foals, of which 10 started and seven won. Her important foals are as follow:
- Chris Evert (1971, by Swoon’s Son) was the American champion 3-year-old filly of 1974 and is a member of the National Museum of Racing Hall of Fame. She is the dam of stakes winners Six Crowns (by Secretariat) and Wimbledon Star (by Hoist the Flag) and is the second dam of 1984 American champion 2-year-old male Chief’s Crown, multiple Grade 1 winner Classic Crown, 1997 Sharp Electronics Cup (SAF-G1) winner Lambent Light, and Grade 2 winner Revasser. Chris Evert is also the third dam of multiple Grade 1 winner Sightseek, 2003 Yellow Ribbon Stakes (USA-G1) winner Tates Creek, 2003 Prix de la Forêt (FR-G1) winner Etoile Montante, Grade/Group 2 winners Bowman’s Band and Quiet Call, and Grade 3 winner Delay of Game.
- Carmelize (1972, by Cornish Prince) was Grade 2-placed on the track. She is the second dam of multiple German Group 2 winner Royal Dragon and the third dam of 2008 Japanese champion 3-year-old male Deep Sky and Australian Group 3 winner Falino.
- All Rainbows (1973, by Bold Hour) won three stakes races as a 3-year-old and was Grade 1-placed. She is the dam of 1988 Kentucky Derby (USA-G1) winner and American champion 3-year-old filly Winning Colors (by Caro). She is the second dam of 2003 Japan Cup (JPN-G1) winner Tap Dance City and the third dam of 2014 Swiss champion steeplechaser Shaabek, 2018 Alabama Stakes (USA-G1) winner Eskimo Kisses, Grade 2 winner Freedom’s Daughter, and French Group 3 winner Indian Maiden.
- Barbara Schurgin (1974, by Droll Role) never ran but is the dam of 1981 Illinois Derby (USA-G3) winner Paristo (by Buckpasser).
- Social Column (1976, by Vaguely Noble) placed third once in two starts. She is the dam of 1989 Prince of Wales Stakes (ENG-G2) winner Two Timing (by Blushing Groom) and listed stakes winner Liaison (by Blushing Groom).
- Charmie Carmie (1979, by Lyphard) failed to win in 17 races, though she placed nine times. She is the dam of 1994 Peruvian champion imported older male Faaz (by Fappiano), winner of that year’s Gran Premio Jockey Club del Perú (PER-G1). She is the third dam of 2006 South African Fillies Classic Stakes (SAF-G1) winner Zaitoon, 2022 Qatar Prix Vermeille (FR-G1) winner Sweet Lady, and Grade 3 winner Hallowed Dream.
- Ann Stuart (1980, by Lyphard) never raced but is the dam of 1992 King Edward VII Stakes (ENG-G2) winner Beyton (by Alleged). She is also the second dam of Japanese Group 3 winner Talking Drum and the third dam of 2007 St. James’s Palace Stakes (ENG-G1) winner Excellent Art and Grade 3 winner Dot Matrix.
- Search Committee (1984, by Roberto) won one of her eight starts. She is the dam of multiple stakes winner First Stage (by Relaunch).
- Missed the Wedding (1985, by Blushing Groom) was unplaced in two starts. She is the dam of 1993 Test Stakes (USA-G1) winner Missed the Storm (by Storm Cat) and multiple Grade 3 winner Green Means Go (by Green Dancer). She is also the second dam of multiple Grade 3 winner Cloud Scapes and the third dam of 2019 Spinaway Stakes (USA-G1) winner Perfect Alibi, Argentine Group 2 winners Bronx and Global Big, and Japanese Group 3 winner Right On Cue.
- Whisper Who Dares (1986, by Green Dancer) won one of her six starts. She is the dam of 1998 Frizette Stakes (USA-G1) winner Confessional (by Holy Bull) and stakes winner Gossip (by Pleasant Colony). She is also the third dam of Canadian Grade 2 winner Overheard and Chilean Group 3 winner Antipodas.
Connections
Foaled in Kentucky, Miss Carmie was bred by Preston Madden. She was bought as a yearling by Don Sucher for US$45,000 as part of a package deal with her dam and was raced by Sucher and his wife. She was trained by Doug Davis Jr. In 1974 the Suchers sold Miss Carmie to John R. Gaines and Don Johnson. In 1981, Miss Carmie changed hands again, this time going to a partnership headed by Josephine Abercrombie of Pin Oak Stud. The mare died at Pin Oak from complications of foaling in 1988, shortly after producing the Saratoga Six colt Six Hundred.
Pedigree notes
Miss Carmie is inbred 4x4 to 1943 American champion sire Bull Dog, also a three-time American champion broodmare sire. In addition, she is inbred 5x4 to six-time English champion sire Hyperion (winner of the 1933 Derby Stakes and St. Leger Stakes) and to 1930 Derby Stakes winner Blenheim II, the American champion sire of 1941. She is a half sister to the minor stakes winner Two Relics (by War Relic) and to Phil's Jest (by Jester), dam of stakes winner and multiple stakes producer Twice Foolish (by Native Admiral). Miss Carmie is also a half sister to Family Fame (by Droll Role), dam of 1988 G. P. A. National Stakes (IRE-G1) winner Classic Fame (by Nijinsky II).
Miss Carmie and her siblings were produced from Twice Over, whose dam Twosy (by Bull Lea) is a multiple stakes-winning full sister to two-time American champion Two Lea, dam of 1958 American champion 3-year-old male Tim Tam (by Tom Fool) and 1960 Brooklyn Handicap winner On-and-On (by Nasrullah). Twosy is also a full sister to 1954 California Derby winner Miz Clementine, second dam of 1970 Vosburgh Handicap winner and good sire Best Turn. The sisters' dam Two Bob (by The Porter) won the 1936 Kentucky Oaks.
Books and media
Miss Carmie is one of 51 important broodmares profiled by John Sparkman in his book Foundation Mares: How Outstanding Female Families Shaped America’s Breeding Industry (2008, Thoroughbred Times Books).
Last updated: September 14, 2022